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President, what the options are being put forth on him, put forth before him now of dealing with this current security mess that we have at that airport, it's obviously harder to get people into the airport, it is not going to get easier, going to get harder. what are the various realistic options to finish the evacuation? >> option one will be wrap it up right now. stop taking anybody else and get our military out of there. i don't think he will select that. smack too much of lebanon response to the terrorist bombing where we decamped immediately. option two, chuck, continue the mission with ...

And also, can you tell us a little bit about how the forces have reacted? you said you introduced a little -- probably more stand off at this point. what other measures are you taking to increase security after the attack? >> i believe the process is ongoing. i do not have visibility on it. my visibility is on the practical threat that we face in the theater. i'm not that person. in terms of practical things we're doing. we reached out to the taliban. we told them, you need to continue to push out the security perimeter. we identified roads that we would like for them to close. they will be wi...

And make them as deadly as possible. i think that's what we're seeing here, their skill set developed almost over a generation. you would say in theory therefore the taliban should know what they're looking for. we know their security perimeter has not been effective. >> susan, you know, the u.s. had taken solace that up until now not a single american had been killed. then to learn in one fell swoop 12 u.s. service members killed, 15 wounded and again the numbers have been fluid in terms of afghans. what do you think changes over the next four days? >> i was struck, you know, by the sense of ...

There as possible? it doesn't mean stop getting people out and just add more troops. >> that's right, joy. the day the americans landed there and started extraction, it became a magnet for terrorist attacks at the kabul airport. this is different from other places like bagram where we had a security perimeter, we had air and ground dominance to a degree in terms of our military. we could defend it. this is not the case of what's going on today. we're relying on the taliban. there's some minomers out there. the taliban came back into town two weeks ago. they don't own the town. the town is very...

Grateful injured, other people pulling them out of the wastewater. and then ambulances coming in to take the wounded away and try to treat them. it will slow down pace of evacuations because one gate, i wouldn't say it is totally taken out of operation, but it has certainly caused a degree of chaos. they'll try to step up security. they did have a specific threat, seems like that specific threat was carried out. if it was isis, it is isis trying to put themselves back on the map, to do exactly what we're doing now, get them back in the conversation. >> make them a major cog when they shouldn't...