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To the people. because i can't hide it digging of the roads up outside of moscow and everything else. >> he's now filling them in. >> he's feeling the pain as quickly as we possibly can. the elements are keeping him, these military elements. but goshen's whole piece was about attacking the ministry of defense shoigu and his overall commander, gerasimov. >> now we don't know what's has happened to them, so prigozhin may have succeeded in his operation, if they are both moved out of post. and then you got the security, federal security organization, the fsb, under patrushev, and his positions in...

We need to know who that is, and i'm wondering when that's coming and how we will find out about that. the other thing is, just the logistics of this, security around this, i spent four years of my career as an executive manager at fbi, miami. i'm familiar with the territory. it's a challenge from the security perspective on a good day. and so now you're going to see secret service, the united states marshals, the city of miami police department, the miami-dade police department, and likely the state troopers in florida, all coming together, trying to coordinate what could be quite a circus, b...

This closely. what's your reaction? >>. >> couple things. one is we're here. the system does work, and, yes, it takes a long time but we got here. i think what's interesting is what we don't know so far. because, yes, we know that there are apparently seven charges, and yes, it sounds like there's a subsection under the espionage act and it's willful retention. but i'm fascinated by the obstruck and conspiracy charges. so there's someone else in this picture, maybe multiple someone els when we're talking about conspiracy by definition. we need to know who that is, and i'm wondering when that's...

Argue, could give mr. trump some relief. in a trial setting what you will hear from the other side should they mount a defense, they're not required to, is that the defendant lacked willfulness. it wasn't intentional. >> i think that is such an important point to make here because, frank, when we're talking about the seriousness of these crimes, i think there may be some misunderstanding out there that trump just kept the documents and forgot to return them, but now we know that the espionage act is involved here. to what degree does that raise the bar? >> yeah. this is an important issue, in ...

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