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>> how does this not look like waste of time and resources? is the president in a roundabout way acknowledging that? >> i think he is, and the experts are the rest of the panel on the politics of this, but looking at it from a security perspective, immigration perspective, i don't know what the white house is thinking waiting for the democrats to take over the house. they had a deal, they ran government. he could have gotten money for the wall. all that's happened is the misery that we have seen for the employees. i forgot to mention secret service and coast guard as well, people that are actu...

>> from a security perspective. from a humanitarian perspective there's problems, two people died in custody. >> this administration is causing them. this administration is causing the humanitarian issues, which is the challenging we're not discussing. we have over 800,000 families that will not be paid for however many weeks on end. these are civil servants, people who can't afford to miss a paycheck. trying to pay rent, take care of their family, and now this shutdown in this manufactured crisis, they aren't getting paid. >> in 2014 president obama tried to address the nation on immigration ...

The president and administration have made up. there's no evidence that anything that they suggest is going awry in the way it's going awry. the thing that frustrates me. >> from a security perspective. from a humanitarian perspective there's problems, two people died in custody. >> this administration is causing them. this administration is causing the humanitarian issues, which is the challenging we're not discussing. we have over 800,000 families that will not be paid for however many weeks on end. these are civil servants, people who can't afford to miss a paycheck. trying to pay rent, tak...

Country? >> no. and the reason i say that is because when you look at the type of geography that the southern border has, and i've been on the southern border, particularly in the state of texas, you look at some of the areas that we have the rio grande river, really comprises almost the entire border of mexico and texas. and that particular border is generally a natural -- informed by a natural barrier. there are also areas such as the big bend national park where not only would it be ecologically damaging to put a fence but from a security perspective the fence would serve no real purpose. w...

Potential of preventing the president from exercising any authorities that he may think he has to build a southern border wall. >> quick question to you. do you believe a border wall is necessary to secure this country? >> no. and the reason i say that is because when you look at the type of geography that the southern border has, and i've been on the southern border, particularly in the state of texas, you look at some of the areas that we have the rio grande river, really comprises almost the entire border of mexico and texas. and that particular border is generally a natural -- informed by ...