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Things up. it's unclear who is really leading discussions on the responsible drawdown of troops on syria, what timetable they're going to be following and where they're going to be relocated to and who else is going to pick up pieces of the mission. >> you know, there was a sense that both general kelly and general mattis had a level of gr gravitas around the president, he respected their military service, the fact that they were generals played a big part in that. shanahan doesn't have that same level of gravitas. his experience comes from the private sector, he was an ex-boeing executive, a ...

Time. >> he's making two december dis the decisions to pull completely out of siria be syria but also troops out of afghanistan. he's not in either of those places, he's in iraq. it probably would be difficult from a security perspective to go to syria but why there instead of afghanistan? >> not having the security information, i don't know how it would be to go to afghanistan. i think optically it would be difficult for the president to travel to afghanistan based upon his own military commanders have they'd what they're doing is working, they're making gains against the taliban, the politic...

Hypocritical. if we lose 380,000 u.s. government employees, we're literally entering the christmas season, which is a high-risk season anyway, with a handicap. what other government in the world is losing 380,000 members of its staff and still hoping to project power and to keep its country safe? and keep in mind, those 380,000 workers are deemed nonessential. every u.s. government employee or almost every u.s. government employee, i'll leave some at the white house aside, are essential to keeping our nation safe, keeping our economy strong, and keeping the engines running. we will be entering...

People in attendance and listening in. why is that protocol so important? >> fred, i spent four years atted the national security council and five years since then and i can still recite the rules in my sleep because they were so important from a security perspective. if anybody other than president trump's friends and family engage in this, there would be a counter intelligence investigation. this happened a few times while i was at the white house. they want to know why a government official was knowingly engaging in unauthorized contauct with a foreign official. >> do you think that is happ...

Extremism entirely separately. there is something common to all of these forms that challenge us from a security perspective. the federal government should be involved in funding a charge against it. >> look. it was the reason my division was created actually. it was a reform after 9/11. it is those that victimized us after the fact may be necessary but it's not success. we need to be as creative as we can based on what the intelligence shows the threat to be at preventing this loss of life in the first place. as part of that strategy then is trying to figure out where are these echo chambers ...