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September did not show any improvement. critics say the tsa check points are for all practical security theater. >> nobody will move the scanners -- people just want to keep selling more scanners, more hardware. why? that's what we do. why? that's what they're buying so there's no incentive to change. the incentive i would be a disaster. >> we see numerous incident of it flights diverted or sent back to the gate because some passengers see something that causes anxiety, reports it to a flight attendant who reported item the pilot who brings the plane back wimp the paris and mali attacks and th...

They're saying you guys on the march against us in iraq and syria are going to pay in your home countries. that's britain, the united states, and that's france. this is not only a reflection of isis' ability to project power into europe, but a reflection of the pain they're suffering in terms of allied air strikes in syria and iraq. >> julia, how worried should officials be here that what happened in paris could happen in new york or washington or los angeles or a major city in the united states? >> there's always worry, because we have an infinite number of soft targets. so there's always a c...

The aircraft. >> this is the real achilles heel at airports all over the world and in the u.s. and we've seen all kinds of warning signs about this. about a year ago you may recall, anderson, you were reporting about it, there was a gun running scheme involving baggage handlers. they were putting loaded guns on airplanes and moving them around the country. there are all kinds of warning signs that this is wide open, meanwhile, we go through security theater dumping out water bottles to get on the airplane. it's becoming a bit of a farce. we need to deal with this problem. >> it is incredible, ...

Magnetometer but put their carry-on baggage through before they get on the plane. and a baggage handler can take out his bag of guns and get onto tarmac, up on the jetway and into a plane. how does this happen today? >> this is the dirty little secret about aviation security. if you're not outraged, american taxpayers, you should be. we're spending billions of dollars for security theater on the front end. we're pouring out our bottles of water, taking off our shoes, turning in our nail clippers and there are tens of thousands of people coming in the back door who are not going through screeni...

>> given everything that you have just said, how difficult is it becoming to balance rights to privacy and security? >> well, we think that's a false dichotomy. a lot of the reports that have come out over the last several months have proven that the surveillance programs don't keep us any safer. they don't prevent terrorist attacks or crime and they're actually of little value of finding suspects after the fact. so it's really more security theater that makes us feel better but doesn't really work and why often these sorts of things are not worth the tradeoff. >> where in your opinion can ame...