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Became a key piece of why this was a seditious conspiracy case. they had been waiting, the oath keepers and rhodes were waiting for president trump at the time to basically call them and invoke the insurrection act to take over the capitol and block the transfer of power. when they failed on january 6th, rhodes continued to send messages to his group essentially saying that maybe they should regroup and continue to figure this out. so that is really part of what this case is, and yesterday, whenever the justice department was beginning to lay out some of their arguments for this sentencing tod...

Washington, d.c. oath keepers wouldn't have been there but for stewart rhodes. i don't think anyone contends otherwise. he was the one that gave the order and they went. >> right. so he was the one that was the ringleader of this entire operation. they viewed it as kind of a military operation. again, they believed that the president was the lawful one, that he had won the election and he was being robbed. they say they believed that they were trying to save the country. so that's the reason why early on, after january 6th, the u.s. attorney at the time, a trump appointee, they focused on him ...

There are no cameras inside the courtroom, so the way we're going to find out is our people inside are going to text or call our people outside. so we're going to tell you the verdict as soon as it comes in. this has been a long trial. why has it been so drawn out? >> there are two things. one, i want to speak to the two people inside the court. they are incredible reporters who have watched every single moment of this 18-week trial. it's the longest trial that we've seen when it comes to january 6th. part of that is because of the seditious conspiracy charge but also because there are five de...

There have been so many different motions trying to get things tossed, questions about jurors that have arisen, and so the defense has really taken every opportunity they can to make this difficult. the judge has been losing his patience many times, but as much as the defense is arguing right now, it's quite clear that the judge has already told the jury you can bring back a partial verdict, we will take that. that's okay. he could cell them to go back and keep deliberating on the other counts but that's what they're still debating on right now. >> really interesting, katelyn polantz. you hard...

It requires showing up in agreement of conspiracy by two or more people to use force to oppose the authority of the united states government. and so, the case you mentioned -- i think many jurors are skeptical of any kind of a charge that involves political activity or free speech. but the key element is the use of force. and so, as we saw in this case, at least with regard to stewart rhodes and kelly mugs, the jury had no problem finding them guilty in light of evidence that we just heard ryan talk about, about using force, using weapons, using guns, hanging nancy pelosi, all of those things ...