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Need proof. those are the questions i should ask. >> jason, no credibility. >> i think we have to tone down the rhetoric. this is a little too fantastic, it sounds like way too many democrats are trying to hash out november 8th all over again. the fact of the matter is, they lost, and donald trump won. one thing real quick, a couple minutes ago, when you had the congressman on. he -- the allegation that the president has business ties somehow to russia, that's actually a false factual assertion, not the case in anyway shape or form. that was a couple segments back, i didn't want to let an outl...

Actually a false factual assertion, not the case in anyway shape or form. that was a couple segments back, i didn't want to let an outlandish segment stand. >> i have to ask you, how do we know that for sure? >> because he said it, he said he doesn't have any of the business interests -- >> okay, but he also said there was wiretapping, mass voter fraud, his inaugural crowd sizes were bigger and the president was not born in the united states. those statements were not true, why should we believe him when he says he doesn't have ties to russia? wouldn't producing his tax returns show that? >> y...