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Joining me now, nicole hannah jones, reporter for propublica. she's been contributing to propublica's special series "segregation now." sheryl cashin, law professor at georgetown university, author of "the failures of integration" and "place not race." let me start with you, nicole. i thought this quote from gary orefield, director of the civil rights project, to the "usa today" in setting up how it is 60 years later we have schools as segregated as they are was pretty succinct. he said "the truth is we tried for a litt while, we succeeded and we gave up." is that about right? >> yeah. that's ...

> 50 years ago he stood in the door. in his inaugural address, wallace said segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever. facing him down there on orders of president kennedy and we have vivian malone's sister, dr. sharon malone. 50 years later. can we think back as to what was going on in your family as your sister was standing ready to enroll and go through the troops to guard her entry into the university of alabama? >> yes. i mean, i'm sure it was a very, very, very tense time in my