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Attention to this agency and the government shutdown was a perfect example in what esteem they hold this agency in when they didn't have a single person left to keep the lights on. >> well, this comes after years and years, as long as i've covered politics in washington. the fec has been, let's face it, toothless. they slap people on the hand five or ten years after they've run for president. so what's the point? doesn't this lead to a larger argument about the fec? >> it really does. in a way, it's sort of like having two football teams take the field and say, we'd like some more referees to ...

Step. >> i see. >> once you get above 60% or 65%. >> so they're responding to something that is not just 50 plus 1. they're responding to something that looks like 65, right? you see this in congress on issues where the public -- well, that's not true. no. there's lots of issues that -- >> i was going to say, i think it's tricky anytime you're dealing with polls who are how do you stand on a policy. >> absolutely. >> because the wording is such, nobody knows. on gay marriage. you ask that question, you get the poll results. but the expansion of gay marriage in this country to the degree it's h...

>> i respect everybody's vote. >> bill: i certainly don't. but you respect the black voter who votes for a candidate simply because the candidate is black. you respect that. >> apples to amples, yes. >> bill: would you respect a white voter who voted just because the person was right? >> apples to apples absolutely. >> bill: so performance and character doesn't matter. just vote skin color and you respect it. >> fy walked into an election booth and hillary clinton and barack obama were the candidates they are essentially the same person and people decide to vote for barack obama based on race ...

Simply because the candidate is black. you respect that. >> apples to amples, yes. >> bill: would you respect a white voter who voted just because the person was right? >> apples to apples absolutely. >> bill: so performance and character doesn't matter. just vote skin color and you respect it. >> fy walked into an election booth and hillary clinton and barack obama were the candidates they are essentially the same person and people decide to vote for barack obama based on race all things being the same. >> bill: would you respect a vote by either a black person or a white person based solely ...

Ultimately, i think, this is the sort of thing that has to be resolved in the election booth and in the november election and the american people have to think about which direction they want to go in. >> joe, what do you think is going to happen. >> i think 5-4 decision upholding the law, but right on the edge there, it could go either way. >> paul: james. >> i also think 5-4, but to strike down the mandate and after sitting through the session this week, i think there's a good chance the whole law would be overturned. >> it would be hard to imagine anthony kennedy supporting the mandate afte...