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Specific skill set is skills inevitably become obsolete and people get more in debt to retrain. liberal arts degrees teach you edification, t you can solve complex problem sets irrespective of what time or decade or era you're living in. that's a lifelong skill. >> felicia, on the one hand i'm with you. i want more investment particularly in community classes. then i worry about a two-tier system, a tuition paying june it in who get edification unit and another set that get trained in skill set learning. >> you're right to worry about inequality. at a certain point we have to invest in the ran...

I had the incredible privilege of getting my education at stanford, harvard and yale. that kind of access to knowledge, to mentorship, to networks is something i think every hard working student should have a shot at. that means a traditional college experience. but absolutely we need to innovate college so they're stepping up their game, so they're making it less expensive for students to attend, so they're making learning more relevant, we're actually teaching skills more about learning and the doing, that are relevant. and so they're not staggering over so much debt. this point that i come ...

Would love to hear that. i also know why the president doesn't say i'm about to engage in a massive spending program. >> but at the same time there's a difference between spending in investment -- excuse me -- smart investment and wasteful expenditure. look at the money we spend on people on unemployment insurance. look at the money we spend on social welfare programs, on food stamps, prison costs. if their investment -- we put in money to a company. it grows. people earn wealth. everyone wins. in the public sector we're spending $7 on seniors on the out put and $1 on the input. >> valley, mat...

>> i see. >> i think in agreement it's criminal to try to suppress -- >> yet that is really quite different, myrna in terms of the state-by-state individual efforts. i want to press on the point you just made. even to the extent the courts have turned much of this back, the confusion itself can be suppressive. >> certainly. that's why it's really important that there be a lot of very good and very concentrated voter education efforts. it also would do us well to be thinking about election preparedness, and that is something that a number of organizations including the brennan center are workin...

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