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Saw yourself within that context and sort of were able to come to grips with who you really were. >> it was a really long journey for me. i didn't articulate for the first time to anyone, didn't vocalize that i was gay until i was 31 years old because of the deep believes that i had and very historical interpretations of scripture, et cetera. to not even be able to mention it to a single person until the age of 31 meant that i was, you know, so deeply in the closet i couldn't even say it myself. so when i finally reached that point where i knew it was time for me to really address the issue st...

>> all right. so you don't think they are sincere in thinking this guy is worthy of some kind of sympathy, you think that he they're just acting out. >> justin bieber. >> bill: i'm sorry? >> i'm sorry, i think this is just like justin bieber for them,. >> bill: bill they don't equate death, destruction, arms and legs blowing off people. 8-year-old boy being killed, that doesn't enter into their minds of these people? >> no. they do that all day long. >> i don't think they see that. >> they see that all day long in their media, bill. you know, one massive study out of ucla showed that add low l...

>> all right. so you don't think they are sincere in thinking this guy is worthy of some kind of sympathy, you think that he they're just acting out. >> justin bieber. >> bill: i'm sorry? >> i'm sorry, i think this is just like justin bieber for them,. >> bill: bill they don't equate death, destruction, arms and legs blowing off people. 8-year-old boy being killed, that doesn't enter into their minds of these people? >> no. they do that all day long. >> i don't think they see that. >> they see that all day long in their media, bill. you know, one massive study out of ucla showed that add low l...

>> all right. so you don't think they are sincere in thinking this guy is worthy of some kind of sympathy, you think that he they're just acting out. >> justin bieber. >> bill: i'm sorry? >> i'm sorry, i think this is just like justin bieber for them,. >> bill: bill they don't equate death, destruction, arms and legs blowing off people. 8-year-old boy being killed, that doesn't enter into their minds of these people? >> no. they do that all day long. >> i don't think they see that. >> they see that all day long in their media, bill. you know, one massive study out of ucla showed that add low l...

Views. senator portman did what millions of other americans, certainly people around the world do, every day, every year, when a family member comes out to them. they take a step back. they reflect. especially if they're not comfortable with it at first. they take a step back. they reflect on it. they think about it. they talk to friends. they talk to clergy. depending on how long it takes them to make that personal journey, they express their personal support and confidence in their loved one. it could be a day, it could be a month, it could be two years. it could be never. >> yeah. so what d...