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>> so i would agree with everything that has been said. i would push back and condi rice knew this would be an issue and this is on the table. and i want to kind of take it out of the personality of donald trump. i think what we se-- see are foreign policy officials and trump is silent and to what we see -- i take it to be foreign policy professionals doing their job. and so why is he silent with regards to russia interference in our election and why hasn't he said smig about the assassination attempt in britain and why hasn't he said anything critical about russia. and i don't think it has an...

Weapon. >> i think it's two things. he may be concerned about the investigation itself and giving fuel to that. the other thing is that the interference that russians did in the election with propaganda and the creation of these fake personas, utley it was to influence votes cast by real american voters in the united states. for trump to focus on that is basically to buy into this idea that people were tricked into voting for him, that the russians came in here and did this influence campaign and caused people to vote for trump who obviously otherwise would not have. you would expect any presi...

Idea his election was the sort of weird fluke due to external factors and recently complained saying reporters always say that hillary ran a bad campaign. why don't they say i ran a good campaign. this narrative undermines his self-conception as a person who is a talented politician who obviously won in his own rights. >> it's interesting in terms of the investigation, no surprise that trump didn't mention mueller or the investigation but at the same time, i imagine in that room tonight in washington in general, it's just wherever trump is, wherever the conversation is about trump in politics ...

Of his latest status there and what he and his allies are doing to perhaps make a pitch to have him maintain his hold on power? >> well, as of last night, it was very uncertain. yes, there is a board at breitbart. but the mercer family decides he needs to go, he will go. the mercers will make the final call on breitbart. and then we really get to test the premise of steve bannon's self conception, which is that in his own mind, he is a revolutionary figure and can stand on his own. he believes, he has the force of, you know, his own fame and celebrity and idea. we will test that, frankly, bann...

And finally, you know, trump takes three and a half weeks to do something that's so insane he gets the blood hounds on his tail. nixon, at least we had three and a half years to wait. >> well, and this is -- i mean obviously trat jekt ri of all this seems like it's extremely accelerated with that, that's because the personality is at issue or the times we live in. to me, i just got chills from reading about this short of level of paranoia, michelle, because like there is this -- you know, this is one of the things nixon pioneered in a certain kind of part of the conservative self conception wh...