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I want to talk about one thing. people forced to read it in high school and every year ever since. about lost love and the poor kid can't marry the rich girl, we get that. also about self-creation. why does it keep coming back as a movie, first question? >> because those things will never go away. we're constantly reinventing ourselves individually and as a nation. this is the great project we're embarked on and this is the great suma that affects us. psychological drives and financial drives. this one arrives after our latest almost depression and hat residences in terms of the economic conte...

Let me finish tonight with this. there's a reason "the great gatsby" written nine decades ago is at the top of the bestseller's list. it's about two great themes, one is love, of course, in this case, the love of a poor boy for a rich girl. the other thing is self-creation, we're a self-created country. jay gatsby put together his name, bootlegs, hope, and decided to trade it in for the girl he couldn't afford when he was another poor soldier heading off to war. gchl atsby was a dreamer, a great one, a man of money but old money, his dream girl would actually value and so he beat on against th...

It every five or ten years since. i'm going to talk about this at the end of the show. it's about love lost. the poor kid can't marry the rich girl. we get that. it's about self-creation, about america. why does it keep coming back as a movie, first question? >> oh, i think because those things will never go away. i mean, we're constantly reinventing ourselves individually and as a nation this is the great sort of american project that we're embarked on and, as you said, this novel is the great suma of so many principles that drive up, the psychological drives, the financial drives. this one a...

Malcolm-x's autobiography, well known for the term blue-eyed pebbles. >> only malcolm-x autobiography seemed to offer something different, the repeated acts of self creation spoke to me. the blunt poetry, his unadorned insistence on respect, promised a new and uncompromising order, discipline through force of will. the talk of blue-eyed devils and apocalypse was incidental, religious baggage that malcolm seemed to have safely abandoned toward the end of his life. >> sean: he did point out that malcolm had some conversion, evolving from white, blue-eyed devils. but what is he embracing and sayi...

Family to me. >> he married them. >> sean: he appears to praise malcolm-x's autobiography, well known for the term blue-eyed pebbles. >> only malcolm-x autobiography seemed to offer something different, the repeated acts of self creation spoke to me. the blunt poetry, his unadorned insistence on respect, promised a new a uncompromising order, discipline through force of will. the talk of blue-eyed devils and apocalypse was incidental, religious baggage that malcolmsd ward thend of his life. >> sean: he did point out that malcolm had some conversion, evolving from white, blue-eyed devils. but w...