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Control, more vulnerable, more child like and what have you, he would chuckle and say, you really want me to do that? he had a great comic instinct. but he realized the audience would get a kick, i think, out of seeing him do these other things and showing that other side. but he didn't find it easy to get there. so it was a real act of courage. i can't emphasize that enough. he pleaded with me on one occasion to be allowed to leave the show, when we were still in rehearsals. he thought he wouldn't be able to just live up to the rest of the company. i hope he wouldn't mind me sharing that. it ...

To the rest of the company, and i hope he wouldn't mind me sharing that. it was a private thing at the time but it was a good indication of the courage that he -- that he showed and all of these things, the sensitivity, passion, courage, the brutal self-criticism were all great ingredients for being the great actor he was. >> it speaks volumes to his dedication to his craft. matthew, let me ask you this and stay with us as we continue the conversation. it's the stamina required for theater is demanding. it's quite the haul for preproduction, production. any indications he had any health issues...

The show, when we were still in rehearsals. he thought he wouldn't be able to just live up to the rest of the company. i hope he wouldn't mind me sharing that. it was a very private thing. but it was a good indication of the courage that he showed. all of these things, the sensitivity, passion, the courage, the brutal self-criticism. all great ingredients for being the great actor that he was. >> that speaks volumes to his dedication to his craft. matthew, let me ask you this. the stamina required for the theater is quite demanding, it's quite the haul, from the preproduction to the production...

Or should you want complete total unilateral victory. >> don't you think it depends on where your interests lie. on the one hand, it's clearly in the interest of the democratic party to see the republicans continue to margealize themselves and implode and fight the civil war. the country is ingovernable, right? like we kind of lurch from manufactured crisis to manufactured crisis because we have this rumpf that will not agree to any kind of government. in as much as you want a two-part system, you want both of those to have a baseline of santi. >> any party's degree of self-criticism. that's w...

Passionate what he's proposing for the country, his jobs plan, that kind of thing, that maybe you could start to see a breakthrough for him out of the 45, 46% ceiling he seeps to have. we've heard this before. a lot this romney rebooting, a lot of the romney self-criticism, it does come back to fundamentals who he is as a candidate what his personal limitations seem to be. >> go back to monday when we were on a conference call with ed gillespigillespie. this is pre the 47% video coming out. let's play that from ed. >> polls show that voters now recognize that governor romney has a plan to ton ...