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I don't think a constitutional amendment defining marriage between one man and one woman is going to pass. the biggest thing to us winning is ourselves. i'm conservative but it makes sense to me that greenhouse gas emissions are creating an effect. >> what you do make of lindsey graham's role he's carving out here? >> i hope it is not just the high altitude speaking in aspen there. it sounds -- it is a breath of fresh air. i feel like he's -- i mean this guy is going, hey, co2 emissions cause climate change. we have to start looking at that. i think we have to stick with the same-sex marriage ...

Other states, like in 2008 and barack obama. >> yeah. but i wonder, though, so i want to get to the dems in a second but on the republican side at this moment, i mean, part of what's occurring in this party is this divide as you point out, this kind of ideological divide, this question about governing. how much is that going to impact what we see happening in these caucus states? >> that's the challenge that we've seen the last several cycles for the republicans. you may be able to win that very conservative base of the iowa caucus republicans, but particularly in 2014, 2016 america, you've go...

You have in the republican primary very far right extreme rhetoric, self-deportations, absolutely no amnesty from the republican party. how will that issue play out within the republican party, do you think, in the next term? >> well, again, it depends on the results of this election, because if governor romney wins, then they're going to feel a little more confident. if not, i'm hoping that they take a lesson, the dream act -- i was one of the republicans for the dream act. that's a good start to reaching out to the latino community. it's not just good government but good politics. that is so...