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What he actually said for 39 minutes when he committed the feat of pressing record on the camera and listening here. he's suggesting that yeah, there's a quid pro quo, but there's nothing wrong with it. he's trying to establish a difference between the quid pro quo for investigating 2016, this tinfoil hat conspiracy of crowd strike and investigating joe biden. that's a thin read. that's thin. >> yeah. he is way out there. that was really an astonishing public act of legal and strategic self-destruction that we witnessed yesterday. i've seen a lot of defense lawyers say a lot of things. i don't...

She was just spinning into this mental cycle of self-destruction. >> reporter: and then todd's defense revealed this little gem. >> she's signed up for california sweetheart, which is an adult connection kind of -- you can judge for yourselves what it is. >> reporter: married to a man she'd grown to hate, in an affair with a man she was maybe thinking of cheating on, said the defense. she was conflicted, said todd's attorney. she was telling people she was afraid of todd. and yet she sure didn't act like it here, todd and rachel look happy. >> compare it with this photograph taken in las vegas...

Bleak. the way they transport their audience and deceive the american people. the way they mix opinion with news, and the away they treat the american people. i think we're going to have a renaissance that's the goal here a national discussion, a journey, just like the columnist did. we need to grab hold of our constitution, our first amendment, and freedom of the press belongs to us. and they're going to be other outlets we have technology now and internet and so forth with different platforms and there will be technology in the future. so i say hold on ladies and gentlemen, we need to be ver...

>> with who? the president? or -- i didn't hear it? what's the relationship with who? >> donald trump, the president of the united states, if you bumped into him, you have eye contact with him, what happens? >> this is not a -- this is not a personal thing for me. >> i'm just wondering what it's like. what's it like? >> i have no idea. i haven't seen him in a while. so i don't know. i'll be very nice to him. i'm a respectful guy. i respect the office. i -- you know, i feel bad for him because he is in steady decline. he was a much better guy 10 or 15 years ago when i was at a yankee game with ...

This self destruction is tied to the future of the country. but this is not a personal thing for me. i would be pleasant to him like i am to everybody. come on, man. i go on msnbc. that's like being a yankee in fenway park. you guys like me. i get along with everybody, chris. i got no problem with everybody. >> who right now, if you could pick the next president, who would you pick right now? democrat, republican or independent? >> i don't want to say because there are three or four people who would definitely be a republican, and there are three or four people on the republican side that if w...