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Her lives, our service people who put their lives on the line. it's a difficult task. i don't think you could have said it could be done easily or with some precision that would have prevented any problems. i just think it was a catastrophic situation, once the government and the military on the afghan side collapsed so rapidly. howie: there were a lot of predictions -- nobody thought it would happen in 11 days but there were a lot of predictions that the government and military would collapse quickly, is a lot of self dilution going on or perhaps misleading of the public. 60% in the same poll...

Which is ironic. but indeed they are still individuals today in washington, d.c. that do have this type of relationship with foreign governments and have all sorts of fishy transactions with foreign governments and hopefully this will bring attention to this and we'll see if there is a will in congress to start changing some of the laws. >> some of the laws need to be changed but i think some people are going to look around and go, that could be me. i better be careful. >> and some of the people -- there are people looking at this and say what are the ways i need to change what i'm doing. the ...

Collusion, there is a measure of self dilution in that as well as a measure of spin or dominant measure of spin for the benefit of the public or the negative benefit of the public. really, we should understand this as a very active investigation, that is pursuing a lot of things, most of which we probably don't have visibility into right now. >> this indictment doesn't charge the russian government or name americans, doesn't charge them with any crimes. is it credible to think that this group was operating in isolation, there was so much depth to what they were doing, is it possible that valdi...

That if, if, in the implementation there is something that develops in a credible way. they won't beep credible as critics. >> part is a cynical calculation. like you say. part is genuine self dilution. you have conservatives who believe it is just logically true that -- that obama care is a big government initiative. and big government initiatives must fail. this is a fact of the universe. nothing that actually happens can, change that fact. many believe the law is failing in collapsing them. what i think -- honest analyst would say, some glitches and things going wrong. actually just like, u...

Through the exchanges or through the fact that they're costs have come down in various ways. >> john than, you wrote that, you cannot just assert that it is, that the, that the law is going to work perfectly. you can't just assert that it is a disaster. there is going to be, some parts of it that, obviously don't work as intended. we have seen that. with some elements of the bill. did not end up working as the authors intended. which is understandable, something that big. and complex. seems to me, the republicans have almost lost the ability to do fair criticism of it. because the they have sa...