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Can i ask, how long are you in for and what's your sentence? >> i'm currently incarcerated right now under the three strike law. i committed a nonviolent, non weapons involved, no physical injury, second-degree robbery. and you know the crazy thing? i got almost as much time as him, 30 years to life. >> can i ask you what the crime was, sir? >> first-degree murder. >> okay. >> i got a possession of a firearm and i'm doing almost life and they turned me into a career criminal where i've never been a juvenile. but i like this prison. >> out of the 35 state prisons in california, this by far is t...

>> out of the 35 state prisons in california, this by far is the best as far as educational self-help development programs, whereas at these other prisons, the resources aren't available. the programs aren't there. we worked our way down from those higher-level security institutions by obeying the rules, staying out of trouble, programming, doing what is necessary to get out of those places. >> but recognition about change, it seems like that's a hard thing for people to swallow because they don't think that we can actually change. >> i keep coming back to the fact that i believe it's because ...

>> so that's why this game is so complicated because it takes time. can i ask, how long are you in for, and what's your sentence? >> i'm currently incarcerated right now under the three-strike law. i committed a nonviolent, non weapons involved, no physical injury, second-degree robbery. and you know the crazy thing? i got almost as much time as him, 30 years to life. >> can i ask you what the crime was, sir? >> first-degree murder. >> okay. >> i got a possession of a firearm, and i'm doing double life. they turned me into a career criminal where i've never been a juvenile. but i like this pri...