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I have to ask you about an interview you did with tucker carlson, it took a bizarre turn when tucker brought up the uni bomber. i want to play this and bring it up. >> ted kazinski has written on this, uni bomber, his argument is that large organizations over time morph into purely self preservation projects like a big system in the end protects itself and that's all it does so our two party system is certainly in that category. there are so many barriers to starting a viable third party. it hasn't been done. why can you do it? >> i'd love to go into the history and background a bit, which you...

And his analysis is large organizations over time morph into purely self preservation projects. a big system protects itself and that is kind of all it does. so our two party system is certainly in that category. there are so many variables to starting a viable third party. it hasn't been done. why can you do it? >> i would love to go into the history and background debate which you probably know better than i do, but if you look at the constitution there is nothing about political parties, two or otherwise, and if you look at the writings of the founding fathers, they feared factionalism that...

Into purely self preservation projects. a big system protects itself and that is kind of all it does. so our two party system is certainly in that category. there are so many variables to starting a viable third party. it hasn't been done. why can you do it? >> i would love to go into the history and background debate which you probably know better than i do, but if you look at the constitution there is nothing about political parties, two or otherwise, and if you look at the writings of the founding fathers, they feared factionalism that didn't fluctuate, which is exactly what we have with th...