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This is now 20 years ago. i said why are they dying? and they showed me an extra. he said a .22 caliber bullet will lodge in a lung and probably get it out and save a life. a .9 millimeter bullet blows the lung out of the body. so the idea is high caliber weapons, there is simply no rational reason for it in terms of self protection, hunting and i guess -- and, remember, you can't buy a cannon when the second amendment was passed. you can't go out and purchase a lot of weapons. and those who -- not many are saying anymore, but a lot of people were saying, you know,

That? self-protection for him, trying to throw somebody under the bus or did he just say the quiet part out loud? >> i suspect it happened, john, and i would think the reason probably is there's a paper trail someplace, and you know, what ends up happening when you are under oath at a trial is all kinds of things come out because people are concerned that if there's a document someplace, or a texas we have seen in this trial, you know, if you don't tell the truth you can end up getting bit by that. the so i actually don't think this is a surprising development. it's surprising that he said it ...

Quickly. you can't, i think, look at gun ownership in one particular vein, it's multiracial and mix indeed gender. i think that's a good thing. with your specific organization, are people joining, learning about guns and learning how to use guns for sports? for hunting? or tickly when it comes to black ownership, is it for safety? self protection? >> we're not monolithic. they're buying for different reasons. some folks want to competitive shoot. some want a home defense. some want to conceal carry when they leave their house. wee very intuitive. and i just want to address, i think, a larger q...

Constitution and its reading are just political acts. >> reporter: the court will also decide the fate of a new york law that bans carrying a handgun in public. residents can get a permit to carry a concealed weapon, but only if they can show some special need beyond the general desire for self-defense. some say that violates the constitutional right to bear and keep arms. >> does your right to self-protection stop when you life your home? >> reporter: a majority on the supreme court seemed to agree that the new york law is unconstitutional, such a decision would be a boost to second amendment...

Mean the state could undercut roe if not overturn it. >> will this institution survive the stench that this creates in the public perception that the constitution and its reading are just political acts? >> reporter: the court will also decide the fate of a new york law that bans carrying a handgun in public. residents can get a permit to carry a concealed weapon but only if they can show some general need beyond the general desire for self-defense. gun advocates say that violates the constitutional right to keep and bear arms. >> it's contrary to the second amendment. i mean, does your right ...