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The government may not be able to sea the materiality aspect of the case. in any event, he would have gotten, as you say a relatively small sentence. so i don't think he pleaded because of that. i think he pleaded to protect his son. which makes him a very weak witness. any defense attorney says ladies and gentlemen of the jury, this is a man admitted lying, saving his son. why would you believe him? he would say anything to save his son from prosecution. >> so might lose him credibility on the stand. but talk a bit about his utility here in the investigation. weigh those two things. seems qui...