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Narrative? was it on the internet, was it someone in the neighborhood, was it it in dagestan? is there a spider web or is it just really like columbine? >> do you think that self-radicalization can be as strong and as motivating to commit brutal acts of terror as being trained and tutored by somebody in pakistan? you have been to those camps where you have seen these things. i always assumed that self-radicalization, how radical can reading stuff on the internet make you? >> well, unfortunely, i think that reading stuff on the internet can make you very radical. it doesn't make you an accompli...

Pakistan? you have been to those camps where you have seen -- i have always assumed that self radicalization, how radical can reading stuff on the internet make you? >> unfortunately, i think reading stuff on the internet can make you very radical. it doesn't make you an accomplished terrorist. what we see is people who radicalize themselves, the kind of lone wolf or lone cell that is inspired by a movement but self trains they are much harder to catch but they are also less effective. >> before we go to break? >> first of all i don't think this is columbine or similar. these kids are not psyc...

When i saw this, americans want to understand this quickly as foreign inspired terrorism. this looked as much like columbine as it did al qaeda. >> you have talked to dozens of terrorists and failed suicide bombers. what do you think we should be trying to find out from this young man who survives? >> i think what we often see is somebody who has a confused identity, who gets attracted to a narrative of oppression and humiliation. of course there's a question, why? who introduced them to that narrative? was it on the internet? was it someone in the neighborhood? was it actually phillip is righ...

Security, congressman, talked about that on cbs this morning. take a listen. >> what was he doing over there for six months? when he comes back, one of the first things he does is puts up a youtube site that has radical jihadist rhetoric on that website, and then, of course, nine months late pulls off the largest attack on american soil, terrorist attack, since 9/11. >> congressman does the intelligence that you've seen indicate he became radicalized while in chechnya, or was it here when he was living in the united states? >> you know, i don't think we really have a good sense yet, and we're ...

Chathey better than learned in those interviews and what kind of electronic communication they have had. was there any foreign direction to this? was this a case of self-radicalization? we will have a lot of good information about that in fairly short order. that's got to be the subject of intense research. >> the mere fact that a federal government contacted the fbi and said, hey, have you to take a look at this guy, suggests that he was either radicalized or recruited or even trained overseas? >> well, it certainly suggests that at least one government thought so. it will be very interesting...