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This country safe. vetting people but allow good people in and would help us in this fight. >> that's a good fight. i got a chance to visit a high school in deer born, michigan. a majority of the population is of the muslim faith. they're from places like syria, libya, lebanon and they will tell you that they aren't terrorists. they are people who want to come to america and live the american dream. when you put in the travel ban and you block those individuals from coming in because you are trying to stop the one or two crazy people or losers as donald trump would call them, you defeat the pu...

Secretary they're going to get on with their business and not let them svlgs be cowed. >> the weapon changes everything. as you're pointing out it's not a loan assault rifle, this took some kind of sophistication. the shrapnel pattern seem to be bolts and nuts. points investigators to certain fieps of explosives that would have been necessary. at what point does it suggest that this person had help versus learning how to do it themselves online? self radicalization? >> i guess as soon as they identify the person and figure out very quickly the kind of information they were learn ogen the inter...

Approval process. a lot of them can be anywhere. what did you make of that and rejecting the president's first effort led to this? >> that's interesting. this is the first time we've seen this number. remember, director comey introduced 900 to 1,000 active investigations of people for potential self-radicalization or terrorism. of that amount, 300 of them are part of the refugee program. some of them have come from these six countries as well. so that is a new number and it certainly gives credence to what the president is doing. on the refugee program itself, for the last ten years, we've bee...

Colleagues have been reporting there's an effort by the administration to enlist the intelligence community to bolster their case with the intelligence of the threat coming from the 7 countries on the travel ban. as you would i can imagine argue it's not inappropriate to challenge the intelligence community about what information they have, what threats are that's real. this is going over the line in your view? >> again, they're trying to justify a policy that can't be justified. when you set up a poll saz being a religious test on who can come to america, a ban on muslims, that's going to mak...

Committee hearing. >> but you don't have any proof at this point. >> not until the boom. >> not until what? >> not until they act and blow something up or go into a mall and kill people. so we won't know until then. chris: he is saying, the president is saying, steven miller is saying while the courts, while senator argue about, well, this tine-tuning -- fine-tuning of the executive order, we won't know until the boom. >> well, you don't know. we want to keep americans safe, and there are risk factors. there's risk factors that this executive order could be used for recruitment here or self-ra...