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Federal indictments and the indictment down in georgia. and this has been going on for quite a while. we are seeing the denigration of 250 years of self-rule, democracy, the rule of law has been eroded. it has been continually eroded. what this conviction represents is the first big step towards regaining our footing. make no mistake, this is just the beginning. now we have a federal election coming up on november 5th. and that will be -- we have 12 jurors determining his innocence or guilt. they determined he was guilty. now he will be facing the jury of america, the american jury. as we know...

Absorbed around the country? >> i do think it matters. it's never going to matter to trumps faithful. we saw that represented by the elected officials that just basically came out and trumpeted everything donald trump was saying. but it will matter to people who are living in the world of reality, and who respect the world of law, and who respect our constitution and 250 years of self-rule. those people, i refused to believe the majority of people in seven swing states, particularly michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania are going to go into the voting booth and say, you know what, i'm going to ...

And who respect our constitution and our 250 years of self-rule. those people, i would refuse to believe that a majority of people in the seven swing states, particularly michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania are going to go into that voting booth and say, you know what, i'm going to vote for a convicted felon. i don't think they'll do it. and i think when they are faced with that, the right result will occur. and that joe biden will win. he'll win the popular vote by over 10,000 votes but he'll win the electoral college and we will have preserved democracy. i think this is the first big step t...

Sphere. he's been, since he came down that escalator, he has been taking a wrecking ball to the rule of law and the constitution. as you pointed out early in the program, he's been impeached a couple of times and we have seen not only his conviction but a couple of federal indictments and the indictment down in georgia. and this has been going on for quite a while. and we are seeing the denigration of 250 years of self-rule, democracy, the rule of law, has been eroded, has been continually eroded. what this conviction represents is a first, big step towards regaining our footing and, make no m...

Narrowly. this could be a very broad thing. you know, your thoughts. >> well, you talk about it as a story and this is just the first step of a story that has been percolating since donald trump entered the political sphere. he's been for you know since he came down that escalator, he's been taking a wrecking ball to the rule of law and the constitution. as you pointed out earlier in the program, he's been impeached a couple of times. we've seen not only this conviction but a couple of federal indictments and an indictment down in georgia. and this has been going on for quite a while. and we'r...