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Jihadi. they have to be looking for something. they have to be looking for someone or they have to be approached by someone and thereafter they actually then have to be motivated, they have to be trained in the ideology they have to believe in the ideology and then they have to then work in conjunction with other people in terms of actually moving towards some sort of final attack. these particular people were not lone wolves they were well trained, they were -- the attack was professionally planned. these were potentially self-starters but they may well have been linked directly to some sort ...

Entrenched in the ideology where they believe that groups organizations like this particular magazine are people who are betraying blasphemy and should be dealt with in a particular way. that's what we need to tackle. that's what the community in france, that's what the community in the west, what we at quilliam we've spoken about this before we need to tackle long term if we need to stop these acts from happening in the future. >> you use the term self-starters, other people say lone wolves, that's another term you guys at quilliam use. you say self-starters. what is the difference? >> lone w...

>> jonathan, in terms with how law enforcement responds to an incident like this in the united states, are we ready for this? >> well, i don't think we are completely ready for it. i think a lot of tactics and thinking has to be changed. one of the biggest things to change is what the previous guest was saying, these people are not necessarily what you can pick out. when the boston bombing happens, it's good to educate the public. the public, they are going to be the ones that are there when it happens. they have to be more aware. i will say, though, that a lot of these people aren't just self...

Look for is are these candidates self-starters. i'd give them a task. that's what we do at yapp. are you looking for a marketing person? have them write a blog. are you looking for an engineer? have them decode some bug for you or some code. that way you can see who's really passionate about getting this job rather than just easily hitting the submit button with the resume. >> how do you do that quickly so it's culled down so you don't even get the 9,000. >> i think that's great advice. one step we could take prior to that a big questionnaire like 25, 27, 32 questions. with, you know, so that ...

People who can work with people and take orders and respond to orders. talk about the military, negotiating an ied is far more superior than acing an s.a.t. >> negotiate work well with people? >> i'm telling you, i'm just saying, people you meet that you work with who were in the military, that's the best barometer for employment. >> problem solvers. they're put in situations where it looks like there's. no way out and they fix it. let me add another group to that, athletes. same thing. no, no, for real. i hired a lot of people. i square to god, the best traders on the floor were military peop...