oblivious elmer stewart rhodes growls at them, pick up some steak on your way back. they never came back. his wife has been divorce proceedings with him ever since, elmer stewart rhodes is a deeply troubled human being, and that trouble no doubt began with his first name which he hates so deeply that he has managed to convince the world, even the new york times, that it does not exist. he is stewart rhodes and every each virtually reports in the mastermind of the trump militia that attacked the capitol on january 6th. elmer is one of those names like homer, and a few others, that seemed like fine names in the 19th century. but in the 20th century, eventually lost currency except in the character names of shows like the simpsons where the owners of such names are not exactly figures of great respect. elmer rhodes appears to have spent his life in search of
even the new york times, that it does not exist. he is stewart rhodes and every each virtually reports in the mastermind of the trump militia that attacked the capitol on january 6th. elmer is one of those names like homer, and a few others, that seemed like fine names in the 19th century. but in the 20th century, eventually lost currency except in the character names of shows like the simpsons where the owners of such names are not exactly figures of great respect. elmer rhodes appears to have spent his life in search of respect including self respect. when he founded the so-called oath keepers in 2009, his wife was hopeful. she said, saying the reason why he loses his temper, the reason why he s violent is because he hadn t found his path in life, so part of me thought, well maybe this will help fix whatever it is that s wrong with him. now that will be a prison s job, fixing what s wrong with him. and prisons are terrible at fixing what is wrong with people. the next legal step for
obstruction of an official proceeding and aiding and abetting. and conspiracy to prevent an officer from discharging their duties. as the new york times points out, seditious conspiracy is the most serious charge brought so far in any of the 900 criminal cases stemming from the vast investigation of the capitol attack. an inquiry that could still result in scores if not hundreds of additional arrests. charges upon which these gentlemen were convicted today carries a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison. this was a major test for the justice department s sprawling investigation into the attempts to keep donald trump in the white house at all costs. joining me now is nbc news justice reporter ryan riley. you have been following this trial day to day. it seems to me that these two highest profile convictions of kelly megs and elmer, who calls himself stewart rhodes, they matter a whole lot, especially since they both testified in
oath keeper, elmer, who calls himself stewart rhodes to sound cooler than he is, he s the case has gone to the jury. it s hard to believe these people just spontaneously decided to overthrow the government to put donald trump in. he had no idea. i mean, it just doesn t make sense. so do you share my skepticism that this process will ever lead to accountability, because this guy is starting to look untouchable? that s been my point and my concern for a very long time. i also think that one of the things we have to be prepared for, and i think you and i talked about this before, is the notion of an anti-climactic ending. in any universe regardless of what happens we need to be prepared for something that ultimately may be somewhat anticlimactic, depending on whatever your position is. if donald trump ends up being held accountable, being prosecutors, being convicted and only goes to jail for a couple months or a couple years or what have you, a lot of people are going to feel like, t
arbiter of what is and it s not and election. i think we re going to hear on monday tomorrow, yasmin. more about his theory. but it does put some meat on the bones of his earlier claim that we heard prosecutors producing two evidence that if donald trump did not invoke the insurrection act and put a stop to joe biden certification the oath keepers would take matters into their own hands. i guess that s because almost toured roads believed the election was unconstitutional. what are you expecting i don t think elmer going to fare that well. these are my former colleagues that are cross examining him. they ve been prosecuting cases a very long time. they re very adept at picking apart the testimony of somebody like ellmers to add roads. particularly because he is on video. he s caught on audio. he is caught in signals chats written. messages between and among oath