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And banned since 1986. semi automatic weapons are extremely common. millions of gun owners have semi automatic guns in the country. you are running foul of the second amendment and go and confiscate millions of these guns from law-abiding people? that won't work out well. so this is the problem that gun control advocates have. you can advocate symbolic measures that has nothing to do with stopping these killings like universal background checks or you can advocate a massive gun confiscation in this country that would never pass constitutional muster. that's why this debate is deadlocked. >> bi...

With a mental illness a background check won't stop them. they usually do pass background checks. the basic standard for public policy is show me how your idea or your proposal will actually help matters. with the mass shootings it is just -- these are very difficult to stop. >> bill: how would you address rich's comment? >> why would we not at least try here? the fact that someone can go into a gun store and purchase a semi automatic weapon, which by the way is only used to kill people. >> that's completely untrue. >> i'm from arkansas. i grew up around hunters, i grew up around -- my family ...

Las vegas. the deadliest mass shooting in america. it turned political. good day to both of you here. answers are difficult here, adrian. go ahead and if you could what would you have congress do? let's start there. >> look, first of all chris murphy is exactly right. we have a mass shooting and congress debates it and a huge policy debate in the country and nothing gets done. when is enough enough? the fact that we don't have universal background checks in this country and you can get the semi automatic weapons. >> bill: listen, background check for this killer in nevada or utah or wherever h...

Wyoming. i like the state. it's the huge swath of people that are progun. >> what's happened to gun culture over the past 10 to 20 years. we've gone from your bolt action pistols that people use for hunting but that wasn't going to last forever. and the nra knew that. they knew that hunting culture is decreasing. so they start pushing the semi automatic weapons and pump out the fear and paranoia as well convincing people that they need the semi alms to defend themselves, these pistols are not going to do the trick. you need street weapons, war weapons to defend yourself. >> how do you use one ...

>> no. >> and congressman, that's what i meant by getting specific. are you talking about a ban on semi automatic rifles, for example? >> yes. i think joe is absolutely right. i think he's right in how law enforcement thinking about this. law enforcement is sometimes on the opposite end of the weaponry that should be in the hands of the military. i understand this is tough. how do you define an assault rifle. i get that. it's hard. >> let me stop you there. it is tough, and the gun lobby will always go there. no matter what you say, ban assault rifles, okay, ban semi automatic weapons. they sa...