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Chance to succeed. >> and senator perkins' argument which he makes again in "the new york times" is that the huge number of applicants to these charter schools is not evidence that they are good or that they are a success. it's evidence that public schools are a failure. that's exactly the point. they are the failure, so let's try something new now. >> more than happy to have him on. >> and, again, charter schools are public schools, but they are public schools where you give teachers, you give students, you give parents, you give administrators a chance to do what works. >> if i may, we have ...

Mika, read part of "the new york times" article. >> this is the article that caught your eye over the weekend. when hundreds of parents went to albany last month to rally for chaerter schools, they were greeted by a parade of politicians offering promises and encouragement. but when bill perkins took to the stage, they drowned him out with booze, as advocates of charter schools try to persuade legislators to lift the limit on the number of such schools in the state no, one is as likely to stand in their way as mr. perkins whose districts encompasses 20 charter schools. over the last decade, as...

Times" this past weekend, and i don't understand why there is actually the senator that represents these children who are giving -- a state senator, who represents the children who are getting an extraordinary opportunity who is trying to take that opportunity away from them. senator perkins, trying to get him on the show the last couple of days, bill perkins, but he won't come on. why in the world would you guess that senator bill perkins would stand in the way of children in his district getting the best education they could ever get? just one guess. >> oh, i don't know. let me see. do you s...