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You. we have heard stark warnings about a possible invasion from top american officials, the ukrainian president is urging the u.s. to stop those dire warnings saying it might cause panic in his country. why is the u.s. assessment of what the ukrainians -- and what the ukrainians are saying so different? >> good morning, dana. good to be with you and my friend and colleague jim risch. i think president zelensky is in a difficult position. clearly he must be preparing for the possibility of invasion or reinvasion since russia did that already in the past with crimea and with regular forces in e...

>> we think so. i'm more than cautiously optimistic at this point that when we get back to d.c. tomorrow that we're going to be moving forward, and i know bob shares that hope, also. >> what are you going to do about the timing of the sanctions? will you say that they will not go into effect until after an invasion if that happens? or will you do it preemptively? >> that's a work in progress. but i can describe where we've come together on that, and i think it's a combination of both. bob, would you agree with that? >> i agree with senator risch. look, there are some sanctions that really coul...

Going to send which means putin has to decide how many body bags of russia's sons are going to return to russia. the sanctions that we're talking about would come later on if he invades. some sanctions would come up front for what has been done already, but the lethal aid will travel no matter what. >> quickly, senator risch, the issue of the nord stream 2 pipeline between russia and germany, the administration is reluctant to do anything to block that. will you have -- in this legislation, will you actually take action? >> as you know, we've had a disagreement on that, a continuing disagreeme...

Military aid, lethal aid since 2014, $650 million. it's because you have 130,000 russian troops there surrounding three different parts of russia's borders, and you have to take seriously that the potential for an invasion is real. it's getting the ukrainians to be prepared and give them the wherewithal to defend themselves, at the same time understanding the economic needs they have. >> senator risch, you said russia is just setting up a pretext forward. do you see any scenario in which russia chooses not to invade at this point? >> well, i don't think that decision has been made yet. there's...

It within the ukraine, there's lots of consequences. it's not going to include sending u.s. troops in there. the american people are not there. we don't need to be there. we have some consequences. if indeed he goes in, there's a real push to enact the swift sanctions on him. that's complicated. a little pain for us involved in that. it would bring russia to its knees very quickly. i am going to push for that. i know our european allies have indicated they're not red hot about doing that but it needs to be done. >> charles: the swift banking system. whether it's banking, oil, heating and gas, ...