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Rico and against a person from portugal? i'll mark you down as having no problem with affirmative action for those who suffered under slavery. >> i think the original act to rectify the injustices of slavery and jim crowe had a real moral argument behind them. i don't understand the moral argument for drimtding against working class folks from the south or appalachia or tennessee who never had a break. >> gene robinson? >> pat and i agree on one thing, affirmative action, that there was a moral argument behind the original intent of affirmative action. to rectify slavery and jim crowe and hund...

>> you play the best players. that's very american. >> you are such an american realist. >> charlie scott started winning for unc. all the sudden everybody wanted in on the act. here's senator webb. let's get back to the world decides sports. policymakers ignored such disparities within america's white cultures. when in advancing minority diversity programs, they treated whites as a functionable -- now there he is get getting to the point here. if an african-american family is well off, should they get affirmative a, gene? >> at this day and age, i say no. take the aide. take the value f of th...

Effort. >> pat. where do you think this is taking us? jim webb, from virginia, a conservative state. how will this advance the conversation? you acknowledged there was moral. >> i'm sure there is. >> reporter: for redressing the evils of slavery in jim crowe. where are we going now? >> here's what happened. in three big states. michigan, california, and washington affirmative action was abolished by voter referendum. if it is not abolished by voter referendum, and if the supreme court doesn't overturn it, chris, we're headed for real racial ethnic conflict. the only folks no discriminate again...

Government programs. the same cannot be said of many hard-working white americans including those whose roots go back 200 years beyond our continuing obligation to assist those african-americans still in need, government-directed diversity programs should end. political analyst eugene robinson is a pul lister prize winning clust and pat buchanan. pat, this question, i'm not even sure since this suggestion has only been brought up today, how much is left in affirmative action? i know private schools look for diversity. because they think it helps all their students. what is left that bothers yo...

Jim webb's point is important an courageous. he's saying don't treat it as a monolith. those folks never benefitted from boston and new york. they were the victims of that form of discrimination. and they are today the victims of the form of discrimination action, affirmative action, quotas and things like that. what is the morality? what is the justice of discriminating against appalachian white folks whose father fought in vietnam in favor of folks from el salvador or ethiopia. discriminating against them when the new comes never suffered under slavery, never suffered under jim crowe. they h...