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Union." >> bret: what about the rhetorical effort that he makes to continue the never ending journey by bridging meaning of the words of the constitution with the realities of our time? the constitution is a living, breathing thing and needs to adjust to who we are? it sounds like what we hear sometimes in those hearings of of the supreme court justices the argument we hear about how they interpret the constitution. >> sure. that was unmistakable effort to do that. he utah examples true to our creed when a little girl in brink of poverty knows she is equal not only in eyes of god but eyes of a...

>> well, it's yet another signal, this is not the first time that there has been a question mark raised about whether the president has attempted to alter the course of an ongoing investigation and one thinks back to the question surrounding his motivations for firing fbi director comey. so it is a message, a signal that the president has sense that he can in a sense throw his weight around and doesn't have appropriate respect for the rule of law. but he did then back down of course when attorney general sessions who also takes a very hard line on immigration as we know, but nonetheless in thi...