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Nfl games. so, yes, there are some issues for the nfl but i don't think we can look at what is going on with the game or attendance and say it's because fans hate those anthem protests that they are fleeing by by the millions. there are problems on the edges but not a major disaster for the nfl. >> michael, if a player was fired for kneeling, is that legal? >> it's probably legal because nfl teams have very broad discretion in terms of whether they can cut a player but it's the analysis is deeper than that in the sense a player would have the right to arbitration to contest that and could file...

Layers where people are doing specific tasks. >> and the other thing that's important is to make sure that it's not just middle management, as if managing other people, but everyone is in a sense a player or coach. everyone is doing real work. everyone is out in the marketplace talking to customers, dealing with partners. i've seen companies that have really had trouble when they bring in a layer, and all of those people do is just manage others. that doesn't work so well. >> yeah, and you have to be careful about where you're getting them from, right? because if you're getting them from a big...

People's jobs were. so you know, everyone's a generalist from the beginning then you have to start to put in layers where people are doing specific tasks. >> and the other thing that's important is to make sure that it's not just middle management, as if managing other people, but everyone is in a sense a player or coach. everyone is doing real work. everyone is out in the marketplace talking to customers, dealing with partners. i've seen companies that have really had trouble when they bring in a layer, and all of those people do is just manage others. that doesn't work so well. >> yeah, and ...