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Hurricane itself that kept them from being more specific but there's no way it's only 64 people that died because of that hurricane. there are still people there who don't have water, electricity. why is the focus on a number when clearly there needs to be a focus on what needs be done in puerto rico. >> i think unfortunately 60 days from the midterm, some of it is really politics. but in terms of -- >> there are people certainly who care about those people puerto rico, who have family there. this isn't just about numbers in politics. there's a sensitivity issue that seems to be missing. do yo...

That the fault of the parents that are making that terrible mistake and decision to do that. >> but you're discounting the desperation, steve. why did my family come here two generations ago? >> i'm not. >> they were desperate. it was not because they were levelheaded and had options. this was a desperate cause to get here. the system was different then. now it's harder to get in. and out of desperation, they do it illegally. doesn't make it right, but how you deal with it becomes a sensitivity issue. here's another example -- >> chris, let me ask you, then. what's your answer? open borders? >...

That are making that terrible mistake and decision to do that. >> but you're discounting the desperation, steve. why did my family come here two generations ago? >> i'm not. >> they were desperate. it was not because they were levelheaded and had options. this was a desperate cause to get here. the system was different then. now it's harder to get in. and out of desperation, they do it illegally. doesn't make it right, but how you deal with it becomes a sensitivity issue. here's another example -- >> chris, let me ask you, then. what's your answer? open borders? >> no. >> is that your answer? ...

Help for these people. >> is that on us? do you think that's on -- is there a lesson that -- i mean, you can't make these people come back. you can't fix what happened here. >> you can't fix what's broke like that. >> but in your experience and now what you're living through, do you think we need to look at it and figure out, there's got to be something so you don't wind up with the same set of ingredients that leads to evil? >> it needs to be looked at more. and we need more places to put these people, to try to help them. >> there's a sensitivity issue that comes up that i respect and i unde...

Civil rights movement but several generations removed from the current black lives matter movement much younger group. he fell back on and really defended his economic world view. this is a guy who spent a lot of time looking through a lens. some of the people that i talked to including the president, dr. charles steele acknowledged there's a sensitivity issue for bernie sanders. key statistic here. vermont has just 7,500 black people in the entire state. more people at his rally than the entire black population. this was a good down payment for him. i think he has a long way to go. >> that's ...