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The charges are light from prosecutors, sentence recommendations are light. the bail recommendations are light. for criminals. but here is kim potter as you mentioned, brian, she has a stellar record. she makes a split second decision that the jury found was in error. what do they do? they threw every single charge they could at her will prosecutorial discretion used. not only that after the conviction you have the prosecutors saying this is aggravated case we don't want to go with the sidelines seven years in prison. we want her to sit more time in prison because she is a danger to her commun...

Like someone with an axe to grind, an ex-employee. i'm trying to figure out what the value is in someone like michael cohen who has lied in the past to congress, other than the fact that if he lies again, things get worse for him. what does he get for doing this? what happens. let's say he has evidence and -- what does he get? >> i think there are two reasons that michael cohen is doing this. one, i think there is this human need to kind of tell your side of the story. to get all the facts out there, to kind of put it out there so everybody knows your story. but don't forget, the second part o...

Contact with somebody with part of the russian spies or the russian intelligence officers in some fashion. also, finally, it will tell us about how much weight mueller and his team is going to put behind sentence recommendations. probably about six months, he's facing in prison if he were to go to prison. but how lenient he will be in what's called the allocution, meaning, what am i going to offer up to the judge as a potential punishment? very telling with people like michael flynn, rick gates, and the like. >> and manafort, if he decides to cooperate and plead guilty, as well. kaitlan, what ...

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