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I mean, lawrence, i think that's the thing. there are cases where obviously judges depart downward from the guidelines. that's why they have discretion to do it. they're usually cases where a defendant expresses regret, remorse, and shows he's a changed person. paul manafort, just the opposite. he's defiant. there are cases perhaps where the defendant cooperates with prosecution. here paul manafort started to do that and then began to lie to the prosecutors. i mean, there's just no rationale, no explanation for this downward departure. and you know, so i think that it's very hard to look at th...

Changed person. paul manafort, just the opposite. he's j defiant. there are cases perhaps where the defendant cooperates with prosecution. here paul manafort started to do that and thenrt began to lie to the prosecutors. i mean, there's just no rationale, no explanation for this downward departure. and you know, so i think that it's very hard to look at this proceeding and say it was on the level with regard to paul manafort. now, he will face a day in court next week. he will face justice there. and as mieke suggested earlier there may be other cases, other proceedings, other ways to make mr....