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Electoral votes in texas. >> so stunning that we're talking about texas. let's talk about joe biden though. he's in a bit of a pickle with primary democratic voters, right he is personally -- he's -- when he takes a public stance, he's a supporter of "roe v. wade" but he's for the hyde amendment which prohibits federal funds for abortion except in the case of rape and incest or when the life of the mother is in danger this. separates him from other democrats in the field. women who get their coverage through medicaid, and we're talking about a large chunk of women should have access to abortio...

She was talking about -- jan crawford talked about the attacks on his character. he said, "i realize we live in a hyperpartisan period of time and i knew it would only be a matter of time, if i was beeping responsibly and calling it as i see it, i would get attacked. because nowadays people don't care about the merits and the substance. they only care about who it helps, who benefits, whether my side benefits or the other side benefits. everything is gauged by politics." i think as a nation we are lucky to have somebody like that in there who can get to the bottom of what started all these inv...

Well, harris definitely tried to come out strong on the abortion issue. it's something a number of democrats have tried to own since the passage of the really restrictive abortion laws in alabama and other southern states. and one thing to note about that plan she unveiled tonight was that it's modelled after the voting rights act. that's a play to talk to minorities and women of color. something she hopes separates her from people like biden who's preaching more of a return to normalcy and is focusing on rural white voters. >> beth, let's talk about the rest of the field. first of all, if you...

So that again speaks to her play to talk to minorities and women of color, something she hopes separates her from people like biden who's preaching more of a return to normalcy and is trying to focus on rural white voters. >> beth, let's talk about the rest of the field. first of all, if you're joe biden and you're at 35, 37 in the polls, it's fashionable right now within the press corps to say he's not having any events. he's barely out on the road. we saw him on the road today. why not stay in delaware and save money because as it is, it's buying you from 35 to 37 in the polls. >> he's not o...

>> laura, same questions to you about this issue and about the performance we witnessed tonight. >> right. well, harris definitely tried to come out strong on the abortion issue. it's something a number of democrats have tried to own since the passage of the really restrictive abortion laws in alabama and other southern states. and one thing to note about that plan she unveiled tonight was that it's modelled after the voting rights act. that's a play to talk to minorities and women of color. something she hopes separates her from people like biden who's preaching more of a return to normalcy a...