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That's one of the concerns you have as a captain. you want to keep your vessel out of the traffic. that's why they have the separation schemes outside of the islands, that's where you want to operate, that's where you should be operating. if this captain had a lot of local knowledge for the area it would be reasonable for him to be in that area. the thing i fine unreasonable is for him to leave somebody who is so inexperienced on the bridge by themselves. >> a third mate. >> in an area that's known for a lot of traffic. >> this is a very narrow area. >> it's about two miles wide. it is narrow ...

How complex of an area is this that it was operating in? >> well, we do know there's a lot more traffic where he was. that's one of the concerns you have as a captain. you want to keep your vessel out of the traffic. that's why they have the separation schemes outside of the islands, that's where you want to operate, that's where you should be operating. if this captain had a lot of local knowledge for the area it would be reasonable for him to be in that area. the thing i fine unreasonable is for him to leave somebody who is so inexperienced on the bridge by themselves. >> a third mate. >> in...