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We're not going to negotiate on that. >> yeah, i think that's inconsistent with what the american people want. house republicans have been saying for day that say we recognize there's disagreements and we need to come to the negotiating table. the president has said that he won't negotiate on the debt ceiling and he won't negotiate on the budget until he gets his way. frankly, i think that the american people are starting to understand why we're in a shutdown. >> but isn't that more an answer of what part of republicans and the answer of no is not being understood here? because there is a nego...

They think they're going to push him to some kind of capitulation there. even if he does, it's going to get to the white house and it's going to be there. >> it's amazing. if the end game is the medical device tax being repealed, the idea we had to shut down the federal government and flirt with the default to get rid of a medical device extra tax. it seems absurd. i guess that -- >> in a way they have a victory. they have their funding levels attached to this bill and i was talking to republicans this week who are, they're not exactly moderate, but they're institutionalists. they have been th...