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Statement from the very beginning. allowing absolutely -- no wiggle room. i think boehner worked on ape deem with reid where they were going to do a clean cr, at sequester levels. a lot for democrats to swallow. boehner had no control of his caucus to be able to deliver on that. so that's where we are. >> joy, i think there is something here in, in their complete misreading of the president. these republicans. >> absolutely. based on 2011. a lot of reporting about it. people in the white house who really said listen we cannot risk a default. we need to go ahead and give here. but of that gave ...

Likes public policy and likes trying to fix things, yes. and i worked here 40 years ago as a staff member in the senate. and to come back as a senator is almost surreal. but it is pretty -- i mean this, week is pretty awful. i mean, there's no question. >> can i just turn the conversation back? we only have a minute left to the paul ryan op ed. because i've heard republicans talk about maybe this could be a big grand bargain. maybe what we could get out of this is lifting the debt ceiling, reopening the government, normal funding levels, not the sequester levels that house republicans want. >>...

>> for those most hardened on that it won't be enough. but you can expand the group of people willing to be a part of the conversation. we're seeing more of that. i'm talking to senators who are republicans and who are not among the more vocal tea party affiliated type senators looking for these sort of topic areas to say, can't we come together. these issues have been talked about before. but perhaps they could be talked about in the context of the debt ceiling, coming to some agreement, these are not new issues but there is an urgency to get something done. could they find a way to reach lon...

Down with a senate minority leader a month ago. he always wanted entitlement reform and you look at paul ryan's op-ed in the "wall street journal" tomorrow morning that just posted online. he's asking for entitle reform with chain cpi. that's what republican leadership has always been moving toward, entitle reform and budget talks whereas the tea party reform has been focused on became care. >> joining me now is a democrat from michigan. i am seeing the conversation turn from the discretionary budget, funding levels at sequester levels, et cetera, somehow the conversation is moving to entitlea...

Place. i thought sequester levels was a win for republicans and we should have taken the fight to the debt ceiling where it belongs where you actually have a valid point to say if we don't have reforms, then we're going to have a debt crisis in the future. let's be responsible. let's do the difficult thing and actually do some reforms and avoid a real debt crisis where we don't have the luxury of just raising our debt ceiling because no one will buy our debt in the first place. >> anna, why not take that off the table? why not put it up to a vote? republicans are saying why shouldn't we? why s...