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Come from, seriously? >> richard, after two weeks of this -- >> but better to kick that can one more times than do what republicans would have us do, which was shred it into little pieces and eat it. >> i am just amused the can is up here in new york. >> yes, and we can expect to kick the can in january, if they can just manage to do it a couple of times without shutting down the government, i think it is the best case we can go for. they're going to come up with a grand bargain where they agree to replace the sequestration cuts we got in 2011, with a more sensible way of fixing the budget ter...

So you won't see -- this date is very important, but i think that mid-january date is equally as important. so the hope would be we can take a balanced approach where we replace some of these sequestration cuts, which in mid-january you're going to see over $20 billion in additional cuts with other things. revenue. i could be on for an hour telling you ideas there as well as maybe some reform. >> what kind of revenue? what kind of taxes? >> i would throw out that you could get rid of some of the subsidies out there. ethanol subsidies have gone away. oil is at 40 billion right now. you could ha...

>> i couldn't agree more with what he just said. the one thing i would add, as you look at the deal as it's emerging, we're going to get back together in december, groundhog day again, what i'm fearful is it's not just kicking the can down the road, it's going to go backwards. what is going to happen in december? my fear is we're going to undo a lot of the sequestration cuts. >> so adam, why was this a good idea? >> trying to stop obama care? >> no, no, i don't want to argue the merits of obama care right now. i understand you feel strongly and there's another place and time for that. i'm talk...

15th where over $20 billion more of these sequestration cuts take place. you have a group of moderate republicans that really don't want that to happen that will join forces and say let's bring our debt down. but let's do it in a balanced way. and that will be the real test. >> you don't have to make a criticism of the president. he certainly doesn't deserve criticism today of all days. he's been hit over the head saying he doesn't spend enough time working with the members of the congress. and yet, i've never seen such unity. the party has been incredibly united. why? what's made it work so w...

Need to be lifted but the risk is not zero. there could be no agreement. that five to 10 to 15% risk should scare some people. jon: well, nina, is this a case of lucy pulling away the football? have republicans essentially handed the football to democrats wanted and now they say they want more? >> to some extent they're changing the goalposts. they injected question of sequestration cuts. that is definitely the case. going back to the question of what is going to happen by thursday, if you take the long-term view, that is one piece of the question because it beings like any deal they're going ...