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Shouldn't get the grand jury materials. well, what world are they living in? during the nixon impeachment we got grand jury materials and we got it with the approval of the court. that's a precedent that's there for 45 years. what are they talking about? i guess this is just like the new trump supreme court they throw out all precedent, disregard history, don't know what they're talking about but that's what we see with the justice department here and it's highly political and it's wrong. let the house do its work. you know, nobody knows the outcome of an inquiry. they don't know whether it's ...

Representatives. we got that later on. but that's -- that's neither here nor there because the fact of the matter is, what the justice department is saying is, if you don't say that you're going to impeach the president, in other words, if you might do your inquiry and then say well, there's not uf evidence or we think there should be other remedial legislation, that's not good enough. you just have to say you're going to impeach him. well, when we started during the nixon impeachment process, we didn't know even after we had the house authorization whether we were going to have enough votes f...

Ridiculous, let the judiciary committee do its work. the justice department may be creating enough confusion so that judges may try to hold back. hope they don't because i think that impeachment is something the framers really wanted to protect the democracy and the court shouldn't stop that process. a serious dlib rative process from going forward. >> i think you made the point that i really wanted to touch on you quickly. the -- i think what a lot of people are afraid of and what they worry about is that the reason that william barr can make these assertions that donald trump has so stacked ...

Shows like this one, but in one hearing, one set of hearings. >> you know, i think so many important points have been raised, and your question is raising all the right ones, joy, and i really want to agree with paul on in. you know, what's going on here is that, first of all, we're confused about what impeachment actually is. >> yes. >> so, let's start with the fact that what everyone has said about the process is -- it is supposed to be a process of investigation. that's how the constitution set it up. you're not supposed to know where the plane is going in order to land it, right? >> it's a...