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Never. >> matt williams disagrees. >> what we do is we use this to flatten large areas. i'm right-footed so i'll use this foot. >> for 20 years, matt has been making crop circles and he has the conviction for causing criminal damage to prove it. >> a complex design would normally start around 10:00 at night when it gets dark in the summer months. and you'd be working until 4:30 in the morning when it gets light. >> this night vision video shows matt and fellow circle maker terry roderick making the famous serpent circle which fooled believers in july 2011. >> you use one person as a center poi...

>> this night vision video shows matt and fellow circle maker terry roderick making the famous serpent circle which fooled believers in july 2011. >> you use one person as a center point and hold the end with tape measures. and sidestep to scribe the foot lines. then you use geometry or you can improvise and be more free with it. start creating the pattern. >> but even they don't know who or what created the famous oliver's castle formation. >> i think one of the interesting things about this controversy is that it's gone on for so long. i mean, here we are a decade and a half on and still nob...

>> for 20 years matt has been making crop circles. and he has the conviction for causing criminal damage to prove it. >> a complex design would start around 10:00 at night. when it gets dark in the summer months. you'd be working until 4:30 in the morning when it gets light. >> this night vision video shows matt and fellow circle maker terry roderick making the famous river hills serpent circle. which fooled believers in july 2011. >> you use one person as a center point and hold one end of tape measures. use the measurement from the outside. and sidestep to scribe the foot lines. then you use...

>> a complex design would start around 10:00 at night. and working until 4:30 in the morning when it gets light. >> this night vision video shows matt and fellow circle maker terry roderick making the famous serpent circle which fooled believers in july 2011. >> you use one person as a center point and hold the end with tape measures. and sidestep to scribe the foot lines. then you use geometry or you can improvise and be more free with it. start creating the pattern. >> but even they don't know who or what created the famous oliver's castle formation. >> i think one of the interesting things ...

It was first discovered there were no muddy footprints. >> it's not man made, but there are people who would do anything to convince everyone that it is man made. there's no evidence it's man made. we've never seen anybody do that. never. >> matt williams disagrees. >> what we do is we use this to flatten large areas. i'll use this foot. >> for 20 years he's been making crop circles and he has the conviction for causing criminal damage to prove it. >> a complex design would start around 10:00 at night. and working until 4:30 in the morning when it gets light. >> this night vision video shows m...