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Just described it, which is an effort to get dirt on a possible political opponent, though i have my doubts that biden will be the nominee. i don't think he should have brought it up. whether it's impeachable or not, i don't personally believe the should should be impeached. >> sorry to interrupt you but just to clarify, i know the white house is characterizing this as his interest in anti-corruption efforts in ukraine, but the truth is there is plenty of ongoing corruption and reasons to focus on corruption, you know, a fantasy about a server, completely allegations without any evidence again...

I don't personally believe the should should be impeached. >> sorry to interrupt you but just to clarify, i know the white house is characterizing this as his interest in anti-corruption efforts in ukraine, but the truth is there is plenty of ongoing corruption and reasons to focus on corruption, you know, a fantasy about a server, completely allegations without any evidence against the bidens, that's not ongoing corruption in ukraine. >> well, i mean, the issue with the bidens, you asked the right question at the debate the other night, if it's okay for 2020 biden white house, why wasn't it o...

Have to get into this to determine what happened, who knew what and when. >> jeanine: joining us now with reaction is larry elder and fox news contributor tammy bruce. all right, tammy, we have leon panetta. everyone's giving him credit because he said obviously we have to look at it. but then he took the slant -- these are big operations. the left-hand may not know what the right hand is doing. what is your take? >> that's what they are always thinking. that's the dynamic. plausible deniability. we know the democrats have been very sloppy. if you think about the pakistanis running the dnc, th...

Have to get into this to determine what happened, who knew what and when. >> jeanine: joining us now with reaction is larry elder and fox news contributor tammy bruce. all right, tammy, we have leon panetta. everyone's giving him credit because he said obviously we have to look at it. but then he took the slant -- these are big operations. the left-hand may not know what the right hand is doing. what is your take? >> that's what they are always thinking. that's the dynamic. plausible deniability. we know the democrats have been very sloppy. if you think about the pakistanis running the dnc, th...

Have to get into this to determine what happened, who knew what and when. >> jeanine: joining us now with reaction is larry elder and fox news contributor tammy bruce. all right, tammy, we have leon panetta. everyone's giving him credit because he said obviously we have to look at it. but then he took the slant -- these are big operations. the left-hand may not know what the right hand is doing. what is your take? >> that's what they are always thinking. that's the dynamic. plausible deniability. we know the democrats have been very sloppy. if you think about the pakistanis running the dnc, th...