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of classrooms and morale in schools, we have one big question this morning. how best can parents and the public judge what's really going on? for her first interview since the death of ruth perry, the chief inpector of schools, amanda spielman, is here to answer our questions. after the prime minister's friend and deputy quit after he was found to have bullied stuff, the government's new number two — oliver dowden — is here too. the leader of the liberal democrats, sir ed davey, will be back in the studio, with only a couple of weeks until the local elections. vying for attention...

This is not a group of people from a completely different context coming in and having these conversations and having thesejudgments, it is people who are themselves deeply steeped in the world of schools, many of them are current serving heads or deputy heads. our inspection model draws on the sector, so it's really important for people to understand inspectors are not beings from another planet, they are absolutely human beings understanding there sensitivities and difficult issues. d0 understanding there sensitivities and difficult issues.— and difficult issues. do you think then that not...