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Genuinely in his heart of hearts agrees with the president on immigration is also the member the president has been threatening to fire over twitter over the last couple of days. those two pieces are very much connected. i think part of this is probably the president trying to compensate for the fact that a lot of folks in his base are pretty concerned. i spoke to chris crane, president of the union that represents i.c.e. agents responsible for detaining, arresting and deporting undocumented immigrants. when i talked to them a couple of days ago, he said he was hesitant to criticize the presid...

We don't want there to be any daylight between sessions and trump. we're here for sessions. we want him. so when trump starts demo going toing about gangs, that's an important piece. >> the sessions thing is the one thing he's doing right now that is entirely out of line, right? >> right. >> at one level there's a sort of bunker mentality. he's having trouble on capitol hill right now. he's got this swirling investigation that keeps growing. you know, his approval ratings still around 39% or whatever. at the same time he's fighting with the guy that's the troop unity. >> it was so explicit thi...

A play to the conservative base, which is -- he has gotten a lot of blowback from because of the -- you know, attacks on jeff sessions. though, i thought when i first saw this tweet today, okay, he's trying to change a topic from sessions. ask then a few minutes later, of course, there was another tweet questioning why sessions didn't, you know, remove andrew mccabe and getting back into the whole sessions thing. so i thought, well, so much for that theory. but it does change the subject. it is a way to play to the base. but it's also changing the subject away from things that the white house ...

Commentator, worked with john kasich in this election. he said this, he tweeted we are witnessing abuse of power, threatening prosecutors if they don't prosecute. he says this has reached the level of abuse of power with the president over the sessions thing. do you think it has? >> it's certainly walking up to that door if it hasn't already crossed the threshold of it. this is why we were talking about whether mueller views it as obstruction of justice or paul ryan and his team of republicans in the house should begin looking at if an article of impeachment would lie. i don't see how it makes...

To get into the weeds, the gutter or sewer as he says about the election. it was pretty bad. i'm going to go back to the sessions thing, as well. i talked to former u.s. attorney general eric holder today, don, at the naacp convention and i asked him about the fight, the back and forth between sessions and the president and asked him should sessions resign? he said that's between sessions and the president. but he also said that he's coming back september because we're in what seems to be a crisis in this nation and he says that he does not want to see the process impeded the way it's being im...