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Refusal to pay, the refusal to be held to any sort of basic code of ethics in business, he thought that was transferrable to washington, d.c. his son-in-law thought that was transferrable to washington, d.c. it is not transferrable. washington has a set laws. they have a set rules. you live by them or your political bones get reduced to dust. i've said that about other presidents before this one. so this is not personal to donald trump. he doesn't listen. washington is going to win. they always do. >> joe, with regard to donald trump, and your past experience which is legitimate and says a lot...