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Him to feel like he's his only defender. >> so melissa, it appears you know despite whatever criticisms have come by way of the president, taylor, kent, yovanovitch, you know, vinman all have been unflappable. do you see the same for williams since her open testimony is upcou upcoming. >> certainly. these are career foreign service professionals. they're testifying to a similar kind of feeling. that they've watched everything that's going on in the state department and white house and this is highly unusual. highly inappropriate. a second channel, a shadow channel and the is not the way foreig...

Help trump. that's from may 9th in your newspaper. two days later after two days of hysteria including in republican circles, rudy giuliani cancels his trip to ukraine blaming democrats' spin. well, rudy giuliani was running a campaign that was ultimately executed by donald trump. rudy giuliani's under federal criminal investigation for his role in that. could trump be? >> we'll see. i mean, my colleague ken vogel is a great reporter and broke that story. he kind of caught the campaign mid-stride. and giuliani had to back off that trip. he does seem like he's under intense pressure. i think th...