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Gentlemen, i'm glad you're here. i was a voting attorney in the civil rights division of doj. and i can't believe we're finding ourselves time and time again in a world that feels a lot more like 1964 than 2022. i want to begin with you, rick. people have heard the news, they've heard about what gerrymandering is, with the alabama map. help us go deeper and contextualize why this is being looked at on a shadow document, for example. what do you say, rick? >> back in 2013, the supreme court killed a key part of the voting rights act, section 5, that would have required alabama to go to the depa...

What roe followed on a case called casey said, is they can restrict it but they can't ban it on availability which the court said 24 to 26 weeks. that's what so objective to roe because mississippi law says you can ban it after 15 weeks, and the texas law which may return to the supreme court before this term is over, would, of course, ban it after six weeks. >> barb, make us smarter. we keep hearing about the use of this shadow document. now judge leto is calling criticism of the shadow document misleading. is there reason to be concerned here? the shadow document is what got us here. >> the ...

State of texas. >> there's one part of the law raising a lot of eyebrows. how do you interpret the part of this law that enables private citizens to enforce the abortion ban? is that constitutional? >> i don't think it is. i think the entire law is unconstitutional and if we had a regular supreme court, it would have been overturned on the infamous shadow document. that's not what happened. they designed a law that they could sort soft look the other way. everybody could look the other way and pretend they weren't overturning roe v. wade and they could get away with it. merritt garland has don...