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Biden. >> this president's been talking about corruption in ukraine since he was running for the office. >> he mentioned no corruption in the call or any other time except the bidens and the dnc. he had his lawyer installed as a shadow process to achieve only these two ends. he ignored a sitting agreement with ukraine to investigate law matters and didn't go to his own attorney general, which would have been the proper channels if he just cared about the case. do you really believe this wasn't wrong? if you switched the rs and ds and caught president obama doing this, you wouldn't have gone cr...

Since he was running for the office. >> he mentioned no corruption in the call or any other time except the bidens and the dnc. he had his lawyer installed as a shadow process to achieve only these two ends. he ignored a sitting agreement with ukraine to investigate law matters and didn't go to his own attorney general, which would have been the proper channels forecast he just cared about the case. do you really believe this wasn't wrong? if you switched the rs and ds and caught president obama doing this, you wouldn't have gone crazy? >> i wouldn't have gone crazy. this president got elected...

But the politicalization of the nsc is deeply jarring to me. i was a career civil servant, served regardless of who the president was. the reason the nsc is staffed with career officials is because they have actual expertise and years of experience with departments and agency, regardless, again, of who's president. there is a disconcerting trend which is that the political appointees run a shadow process driven by the president's personal interests and not national security ones. to me, this looks like the president is trying to make the nsc into a campaign surrogate and campaign arm rather th...

Upon the national security agenda of the country. if ambassador yovanovitch testifies, she would have really unique insight about any kind of shadow process that was being run by ambassador sondland, secretary of state pompeo and who knows who else in the white house and rudy giuliani, could really speak to how that process was being run and why. what kind of incentives the president was offering, for example, to get what he really wanted from ukraine, which was a foreign campaign contribution in the form of political dirt. >> sam, juliette, stay with me. news right now, that multiple national...

Can't wait for halloween because he is playing mike pompeo sometime. there is talk of him being rogue oh or in shadow process. it's true but not really rogue because he is working at the direction of the u.s. president. and ultimately rudy giuliani will be a big problem for trump. because he won't be able to hide behind privilege. first of all his own description of the control is all over the place. sometimes working for himself or for the president. . he is meetings he can't cloak in privilege. >> dana let's talk about the politics. we make the point impeachment is a political process. you n...