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Because we had a need for them on a barricade out west. they're great team, first rate guys. they know what they're doing. they have all the money, marbles and caulk. like the chief said, they came in with a vanguard of people. they travel on their aircraft. they have all the equipmen. and they along with the negotiating team and commander on scene decided they needed to make a deliberate assault because it was not de-escalating, it was escalating. so they needed to make the deliberate assault, and that's when they went in. likely that was a breaching charge. they didn't say that, but from the...

>> something else i kept being heard said was connected. was corrected. we heard that the authorities exploded or detonated a couple of the devices, and that was taken in the media oh, the thing did explode. no, they exploded it, and it's something very different. explain that distinction. >> it is completely different than shaking it and setting it off or using a switch of that -- that could activate it. the authorities blew it up, it to make sure it's not a threat. didn't have the capability to detonate on its own. >> she used a charge, they they used a shake charge. they exploded it. someti...